For Jesse, surfing was always the first passion.

The dream was to eventually combine it with another: owning a sailboat and using it to explore places that were difficult to reach from land.

Then he met Camille.

The two met at a backpacker hostel in Australia, traveled together in a tiny van and eventually started talking seriously about buying a boat. Camille initially thought they needed lessons and years of sailing experience first. Jesse's philosophy was simpler: buy one and figure it out.

And that's essentially what they did.

In this episode they talk about:
🌊 How to afford the sailing lifestyle
🌊 Buying a sailboat in Southeast Asia
🌊 Remote sailing and surf safety
🌊 Crocodiles, sea snakes & reef anchorages
🌊 Boat maintenance far from civilization
🌊 The people and communities of remote Indonesia
🌊 Why you shouldn't wait forever to chase the dream